Curse

MagmaRed · Jul 14, 2007, 01:44 PM // 13:44

I think the OP would be astonished to find the number of people that would leave the game if PvE was ignored. He wants PvP to be the focus, and the only focus of Anet. But I am aware of a significant number of people (past guilds and alliances) that NEVER PvP.

Weekend events need some help, as many are repeats or 'worthless'. I do appreciate them in general though. I'd be happy with 1 per month or so, or at least more thought behind them.

Tim, you need to learn that you are not important. The customer base is important, and your are a small percentage of that customer base.

RhanoctJocosa · Jul 14, 2007, 01:48 PM // 13:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keneth

You'll just have to deal with the fact that PvP is slowly dying (and the events have little to do with it)

Each unneeded weekend PvE event ANet comes up with is time and effort; that should be put into fixing PvP, wasted.

Oh yeah, fix the damn lag. Dcing from GvGs because Holy Ascalon Warrior Joe needs a double chance to find an orange dye to dye his FDS is ridiculous.

As for this weekend, bring on the syncing...

Commander Ryker · Jul 14, 2007, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Maybe they have these pvp weekends because no one is pvping.

Hyper.nl · Jul 14, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

I like the weekend events. Please don't remove them.

Keneth · Jul 14, 2007, 04:28 PM // 16:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

Each unneeded weekend PvE event ANet comes up with is time and effort; that should be put into fixing PvP, wasted.

I agree, if they were to "fix" PvP (which is a very relative term since not everyone wants it to change in the same way) in exchange for some of these silly minor events like double weekends some of the people would be a lot happier.

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Originally Posted by the tim

rofl. and wat is ur post saying? oh yea....pve is the only thing that matters.
so how can you tell me to make a usefull suggestion that benifits both sides wen u only wnana benifit pve? and besides this is a usefull suggestioin because alot of pvpers have quit the game because it is not fun to go into a gvg and lag out because of the stupid weekend event. and yes it is the stupid events because durring the week wen there are non, we hover around 50ms. and on weekends we get an average of 180ms. and sry but im not going to promote pve because its doing the same thing over and over. no one cares if it was the original mmmorpg, GW has the best pvp out of all the mmorpgs so anet should focus on what the pvpers want if they want to keep more ppl, rather than just wat pvers want.

Yes, I only want to benefit PvE and yes, PvE is the only thing that matters to me. However this isn't about me, it's about you wanting to "improve" PvP at the expense of PvE, so maybe if you'd stop gripeing like a 12-year old kid and think for a second with that little head of yours, you would notice that developers can not always please everyone but that is their goal regardless. And I'm sorry that you find PvE boring and "doing the same thing over and over" which incidentally is exactly what PvP is too but with less variety and more annoying people that keep complaining in bad grammar like yourself but it is an aspect of GW that many, many people playing the game enjoy. And that makes it just as important as PvP, inspite of what a few smug kids like yourself think about it.

the tim · Jul 15, 2007, 04:05 AM // 04:05

rofl. i asked who he was because he was bashing me like he knows more abt GW than i do so i was asking him who he was to bash me.

and wow. half of these posts contradict themselves. wen did i say i hate pve and that i dnt care abt it? i am actually currently working on maxing alot of my titles. i was saying that all these events are geared towards pve mainly and this diminishes the part of the game taht GW is actually better than WoW at. WoW has great pve, if people want to pve they are going to go play WoW. if they want to play pvp they will come to GW. But people are just quitting all together because they come to GW to play pvp and then they are constantly lagging out, getting d/c's, or err7's. this is extreamly frustrating in pvp because you cannont do anything and u usually loose because you cannot move or cast.

And...when does GW NOT have "server issues?"

ok...lets get back to the real issue here....WEEKEND EVENTS!!!
I am saying stop with ALL of them. All the weekends cause server lag, pvpers r just effected more because you get once chance to get something right unlike in pve where you can just go back to town and start over. yes i know it is frustrating wen u spend an hr doing sumthing in pve and then lag and have to restart, i have fallen victim to taht several times.
The real issue here is ANet needs to stop iwth all the events. pve events flood teh servers causing massive lag for everyone, pvp events ruin the value of titles and also flood the servers causing lag. GW was an amazing game and was flourishing when they had special events only on holidays because then they were something to look forward to. now with them every weekend its sumthing i DNT look forward to. When they were only on the hollidays ANet had more time to get them right and more fun instead of just rushing sum random event into GW thats bugged so everyone lags and people rage and since they do not have fun while raging they quit the game.

IMO ANet should go back to only having them on holidays because those were fun and meaningful unlike all these random useless onse they have been having, pve or pvp.

dsnesnintendo · Jul 15, 2007, 06:42 AM // 06:42

heres my thought on the subject

What would you have them do? Keep pve the same day after day after day with nothing exciting except a new game every six months
Yes they cause lag but just dont play when its laggy
PvP has skill updates that piss off pver's all the time(can you say soul reaping)
My advise to you is four things
1. remember other people play too your not the center of the game universe
2. If its laggy dont play that day(dont flame this its a valid arguement)
3. A stale game looses players so the weekends help
4. (this one will cause alot of arguement) most people who play guild wars are PvE(and yes i play PvP as much as i pve in fact i prefer PvP)

Curse You · Jul 15, 2007, 06:53 AM // 06:53

I made a thread similar to this more than 6 months ago (or so I recall), only with less needless caps and yelling. I've since learned to ignore most events and take advantage of places that get left barren while their on.

If you wanted to know how that went, you could have asked me (it went bad by the way).

the tim · Jul 15, 2007, 07:59 AM // 07:59

nintendo,
so wat you are suggesting is that everyone who doesnt want to lag, just stop playing the game? Correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think ANet wants that. and i can not argue with u abt the majority of the game community being in pve but back when GW was a good game, the majority of the community was pvp.
and how would you change pve? all they do is create stupid weekends so you can do the same thing over and over and over like you do every day. the only difference is that you may get an extra green dye drop or that godly lockpick. durring these weekends people are still grinding just as they do every other day so that side of your argument doesnt make sense. If you want pve to change, get a new game because the programming of the game isnt going to change everytime you zone. pve is always going to be a grind, you r always going to b doing the same thing over and over again, thats wat happens when you play against a programmed computer. If you want wat you are doing to change, go pvp.
another thing, i'm not making this thread because I don't want the weekend events. I am making this thread because alot of the pvp community is getting fed up with lagging out of matches.

Weekend events every so often is fine. not playing seriously for a few days is nice every once and a while. but when it is every weekend with another useless event taht just causes more and more lag, it gets old. ANet wouldnt have "server problems" if they werent constantly adding and removing game code. And as i said before, having the events every once and a while, such as on holidays, is great because it gives you something to look forward to. A special event should be exactly what it says, special. Not something that occurs every single weekend, which makes it a normal part of the game and something expected.

dsnesnintendo · Jul 15, 2007, 08:10 AM // 08:10

first off the line "back when GW was a good game, the majority of the community was pvp." is just one sided
r u seriously saying that PvE ruined GW if so you need more help then i can give you
second off festivals im fine with some r really fun(stupid demon mask) but 3-4 months is way too long to w8 for something extra fun
third im not saying stop playing at the slightest lag(that would be stupid) i mean at the level of lag spikes 3 seconds apart
fourth
" pve is always going to be a grind, you r always going to b doing the same thing over and over again, thats wat happens when you play against a programmed computer. If you want wat you are doing to change, go pvp."
WEEKEND EVENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A BREAK FROM THE NORMAL thats why anet puts them in for a little fun if you had your way PvE would be deleted because it causes your server to lag(plays worlds smallest violin)
Finally Killing 8 or 4 people over and over and over again isnt the same
your arguements are one sided and porly thought out you must consider the PvE's side of things before you deside to rant about weekend events

sry if i seem angry at you im not this is just my view and i disagree with you nothing personal

the tim · Jul 15, 2007, 08:23 AM // 08:23

wow. i think you're the one that needs help.

1. When did i say pve ruined the game??? i said having weekend events every weekend ruined the game.

2. weekend events DON'T CHANGE THE GAMEPLAY!!! wow, all they do is give you an extra 2% chance that you will get taht drop or get double points. you are still doing the same thing. If you havent noticed this, im sorry but you should seriously look into paying attention to wat you do.

3. yes pvp is killing the same number of people over and over. but those people are different people every time, with different playing styles and skills thus making it a challenge. its not the same as buying 5 sup monk runes, slapping them on a mo/w's armor and go 55hp everything. I know for a fact that monter's skills do NOT change, they always do the same things because they are programed taht way and they are very predictable.

4. i am considering the pve side of things. if you read some of my later posts you would know that i frequently pve and am currently working on maxing some of my titles for the max title title. and there have been several times durring the weekend events that i spent an hr+ vanquishing a zone and on the last mob, lag out so i do not get credit for it. and you have to consider that the double drop weekends only give u like a 5% chance that something will drop. so instead of doing the same thing 10 times, you only hve to do it 9times.

im not mad at you or anything, im just saying that your arguments make no sense

MrBlock · Jul 15, 2007, 08:54 AM // 08:54

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Lag due to Weekend events?

Are you nuts?

Lags in weekends is only due to network issues or more people playing becuse in weekends most people do not work and have more time to play.

This thread is plain useless.

Tim, read that, shut up, and go away.

FAR more people play at the weekend not because of the events, but because it's when they can get online. Maybe because you're like 11 and on your summer holiday now you dont get that. Alot of people have jobs and lives. Weekend events arent the source of all your pathetic little issues. At the AB weekends lately there's still only been like 3 districts. Causing massive lag? I doubt it.

Yes, the dragon fest probably caused craploads of lag for alot of people (although not for me, which proves that it's not just guild war's servers screwing it's probably connections too) but I actually like to have a bit of fun every now and then instead of working painstakingly at titles like vanquisher/commander/whatever.

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Originally Posted by the tim

pve is always going to be a grind, you r always going to b doing the same thing over and over again

Umm...

Random arena's, enter battle, fight in same few arena's, die, enter battles, fight, die, enter battle etc.
Team arena's, see random arena's but with customisable teams
Heroes Ascent, Again, same thing, although it's a lot more interesting
AB, Enter Battle, Win/lose, Enter Battle, Win/lose
FA and JQ, see AB
Hero Battles, Enter, Win/Lose, Enter, Win/Lose
Guild vs Guild, half of your matches will be in your own dam guild hall, how is that NOT the same thing over and over? Hmm?
I challenge you to tell me any form of pvp, especially working towards titles, that isnt repeatedly doing the same thing.

I think PvE is quite refreshing, because I hardly ever farm or run or whatever because vanquishing makes me enough money, there are, what... 120 odd explorable area's across the campaigns, almost all of which are far larger and more interesting than an arena. There's quests and missions, which are pretty different from each other. Basically, PvE is only full of grinding if you make it like that, so grow a brain there.

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Originally Posted by the tim

Alot of my friends list has left the game because they couldn't gvg because of lag. No one cares about pve so stop pleasing them. the real players r the pvpers and they would deffinatly get more players if they stopped with the weekend events that lag everyone out.

Well... dont you think that if all these people that have supposedly left come back to PVP, the 'real' guild wars, that it might cause this lag that you hate so much? Dumbass...

And I dont think weekend events favour PvE at all. Look at the last few. Okay, there was dragon fest, but there's been double faction/points in arena, double faction in hero arena's, and two alliance battle weeks next to each other. Thats alot more pvp than PvE. And if you turn round and say "ooh but it's only double faction" then i'd love to know exactly what else they can do.

/rant

dsnesnintendo · Jul 15, 2007, 09:04 AM // 09:04

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Originally Posted by the tim

wow. i think you're the one that needs help.

1. When did i say pve ruined the game??? i said having weekend events every weekend ruined the game.

2. weekend events DON'T CHANGE THE GAMEPLAY!!! wow, all they do is give you an extra 2% chance that you will get taht drop or get double points. you are still doing the same thing. If you havent noticed this, im sorry but you should seriously look into paying attention to wat you do.

3. yes pvp is killing the same number of people over and over. but those people are different people every time, with different playing styles and skills thus making it a challenge. its not the same as buying 5 sup monk runes, slapping them on a mo/w's armor and go 55hp everything. I know for a fact that monter's skills do NOT change, they always do the same things because they are programed taht way and they are very predictable.

4. i am considering the pve side of things. if you read some of my later posts you would know that i frequently pve and am currently working on maxing some of my titles for the max title title. and there have been several times durring the weekend events that i spent an hr+ vanquishing a zone and on the last mob, lag out so i do not get credit for it. and you have to consider that the double drop weekends only give u like a 5% chance that something will drop. so instead of doing the same thing 10 times, you only hve to do it 9times.

im not mad at you or anything, im just saying that your arguments make no sense

first off read MrBlock's post it makes some great points about the lag on weekends

1.lines 2-3 of youe last post
2. not all weekends are an extra 2% seriously do research secondly weekend events arnt about changing gameplay they are about FUN(something you forgot the meaning of a long time ago)

3. i agree with you on the first part mainly cause its my point but your whole 55 monk rant is just as silly as you thinking that its an arguement secondly monster skills do change with skill updates and HM thirdly PvP is the most cookie cutter place in the guild wars universe

4. i cant find ur arguement anywhere in that little paragraph. You say your are considering the PvE side of things but then you drown on about vanquishing and end up at some random point(you type like a politician)

5. concerning lag people have jobs and get that time off(weekends) which may be the reason for the lag

/group pwn

the tim · Jul 15, 2007, 09:18 AM // 09:18

do you understand how GW works? all of the game information is stored on their servers, this means taht when you load into a new area, you have to download everything off of the servers. now, weekend events= more content on servers= more lag. now that that is out of the way...

i am 100% possitive that pvp is not repetative as u say it is. yes you do fight in the same maps, but you fight against different people and skills everytime. if you think pvp is a grind, then you are the dumbass not me. pvp requires tactics and strategy because you dont always know wat you will be facing and how they will play. however, in pve you know what skills the enemies are going to use, you know how they will react to different things, so you can not sit there and tell me that pvp is a grind and pve is not.

and like you said you like to have fun every one in a while. once in a while doesnt mean every weekend, atleast not to me and most people.

dsnesnintendo · Jul 15, 2007, 09:23 AM // 09:23

first off are you seriously say PvP isnt a grind um...rank
second i dont think you can just say most people and make it true that would be like me saying
i and most people think factions was the best game(doesnt make it true)
third
-> win-> fight more people-> repeat
PvP=enter match
-> lose- repeat

plz escape your own little world and relize ur not the center of the world just ecause u dont like weekend evente doesnt give u the right to take them away from the people who do

-end

the tim · Jul 15, 2007, 09:32 AM // 09:32

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Originally Posted by dsnesnintendo

first off read MrBlock's post it makes some great points about the lag on weekends

1.lines 2-3 of youe last post
2. not all weekends are an extra 2% seriously do research secondly weekend events arnt about changing gameplay they are about FUN(something you forgot the meaning of a long time ago)

3. i agree with you on the first part mainly cause its my point but your whole 55 monk rant is just as silly as you thinking that its an arguement secondly monster skills do change with skill updates and HM thirdly PvP is the most cookie cutter place in the guild wars universe

4. i cant find ur arguement anywhere in that little paragraph. You say your are considering the PvE side of things but then you drown on about vanquishing and end up at some random point(you type like a politician)

5. concerning lag people have jobs and get that time off(weekends) which may be the reason for the lag

/group pwn

first off, you originally said that weekend events are fun because they change the game, but now you are saying that they dont change the game. ???

second, i did make a point. i said it is very annoying to be vanquishing an area for over an hour only to lag out on the last mob so you have to restart and just wasted an hour of ur life. learn2read?

third, i really REALLY hope wat you said about pvp being cookie cutter was a joke. because it is not cookie cutter, people run different builds, with different play styles. people are unpredictable and computers taht are programmed to do something are not. its that simple.

and finally, there wouldnt be so much lag if ANet just stoped with the events every weekend and spent some time actually working on the servers. wen you add hundreds of thousands of code to the existing code and then have to take it out and repeat that every weekend, there is bound to be a mistake somwhere in the code and it only gets worse and worse the more you do it if you don't catch it

nintendo, you fail to grasp the concept that you are fighting DIFFERENT people with DIFFERENT skills everytime in pvp. thus, making it....DIFFERENT

RhanoctJocosa · Jul 15, 2007, 09:37 AM // 09:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsnesnintendo

first off are you seriously say PvP isnt a grind um...rank
second i dont think you can just say most people and make it true that would be like me saying
i and most people think factions was the best game(doesnt make it true)
third
-> win-> fight more people-> repeat
PvP=enter match
-> lose- repeat

plz escape your own little world and relize ur not the center of the world just ecause u dont like weekend evente doesnt give u the right to take them away from the people who do

-end

PvP: Analyze the opponent's build, come up with tactics, react to in-game conditions, change tactics to suit the flow of the battle, react to splits, take note of threatening skills/scenarios, oh it goes on...

PvE: Blow shit up, eat candy canes to remove the dp you get from getting overwhelmed by ai, repeat.

Go away scrub.

HuntMaster Avatar · Jul 15, 2007, 09:40 AM // 09:40

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Originally Posted by Hyper.nl

I like the weekend events. Please don't remove them.

i Second this completely, i love the events they are a nice break from the normal grind. i look forward to the holiday events and the special events like the pvp weekend. Double Drop % Events, which help me get things i have a very hard time getting for personal use. i'v met some really cool people at some of the events and even found some very good deals on rare items.

if you player are having trouble with lag on the weekends because so many players are playing at once, maybe a slight upgrade would help. i hardly ever get lag (wireless laptop). but the easiest way to not get lag or risk death while trying for your survivor title is not to play pvp or survivor grind during weekend events. not a favored solution, but its a solution none the less.

william1975 · Jul 15, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35

i believe there is an inherent contradiction in your thesis

First you state that weekends event cause more people to play so there is lag

Then you state that to get more players weekend events should be stopped

you complain that something increase players and causes lag then say stop it so you can have more players, and thereby cause lag.

This thread needs to be closed for an reduculous and illogical OP

Diddy bow · Jul 15, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

/notsigned

no i didnt read the rant/post